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**prolepak**

Mozac wrote:

not at all, 1stly kesilapan kyrgiakos yg push ke depan utk tanduk bola x dpt pastu nak turun balik x sempat sbb bola dah pergi melalui dia n dpt kat zamora.. insua mmg ikut line position dia n zamora bijak guna space antara kyrgiakos n insua.. so nak blame kat insua sorang is nonsense

ooo...tol gak kan...tapi penah bace statement sape ntah, legendary defender gak la, pasal saling cover n x pecaye pade team-mates...in positive way laa... kyrgiakos tu mmg le bukan bagus sangat, n x laju...so as a fullback, kene la tolong cover sbb die laju...well, mungkin sbb kecewa sangat, aku men bubuh jek...malam sok aku usha balik arr

Mozac wrote:

yup nampak offside tp still carra guna teknik ragbi dia.. masa lawan manu lepas la sbb owen bukan menuju ke gol tp kali ni mmg x dinafikan lg zamora dah nak pergi ke gol... on positive side pasni kita dpt tgk gandingan skrtel + agger utk dc so harap2 gandingan depa lg bagus dr skarang..

awat macam x suke carra ah? aku pon bukan nak defend die sangat, but kalau die comeback, he's world class...lagipon, ape ko nak expect die wat? tu memang carra nye stail, just bet on luck la bile da telepas camtu...

Mozac wrote:

Aku x tau nape rafa mau pastikan liverpool nak layak pusingan kumpulan ECL sampai rotate camni.. ke dua2 malaun owner tu suruh dia layak utk dpt fulus.. mcm ada satu yg x kene kat liverpool skang.. aku x pk rafa begitu bodo skali nak lepaskan EPL semata2 nak mng peringkat kumpulan ECL.. aku yakin ada masalah dlmn n tekanan terhadap rafa kat liverpool utk layak ke pusingan seterusnya ECL

emm, this is not the first time kan? macam la baru ni skali rafa simpan players untuk champs league,even ade crucial game dalam liga...or, ko memang rase ni first time? kunci

**kulitdurian**

ollrite prolepak..
thanks for ur answer..
panjang lebar huraian hg...
aku saje je tanya sbb nampak situasi Liverpool skrg is quite desperate la..
no offense k..

dengan skuad depth yg kecik..
then,tambah plak dengan taktikal rafa yang leh wat fan frust menonggeng x faham...
so,many things need to be done b4 Liverpool could claim BPL..

agak simpati gak la aku tgk keadaan Liverpool nih..
In and Off Field probs mt ada..
cuba tgk other big 4...probs diaorg plg2 kurang pn..
juz related to players jek...(off form,injury,...)
takde plak dgr probs psl masalah dgn owner..klu ada pn,isu tu kecik n sekejap je..
Liverpool plak,nah...dengan owner probs lg...financial lg..transfer fund ciput..
aku xtau samada media saje nk cari masalah pd Liverpool
tp mcm terlalu byk part yang boleh dikritik...
selagi masalah2 kritikal ni x setel..it'll be hard to see Liverpool on top of the table by the end of season..

**waRnz19**

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takde plak dgr probs psl masalah dgn owner..klu ada pn,isu tu kecik n sekejap je..
Liverpool plak,nah...dengan owner probs lg...financial lg..transfer fund ciput..
aku xtau samada media saje nk cari masalah pd Liverpool
tp mcm terlalu byk part yang boleh dikritik...

Ada logiknya...masalah luar dan dalam padang...aku btol2 berharap bende nih xberpanjangan...

**@Mozac**

prolepak wrote:

awat macam x suke carra ah? aku pon bukan nak defend die sangat, but kalau die comeback, he's world class...lagipon, ape ko nak expect die wat? tu memang carra nye stail, just bet on luck la bile da telepas camtu...

bukan x suka bro, just aku nak dia rehat wat sementara dulu tgk balik pe jadi performance dia musim ni n bounce back balik.. x de citer la aku nak nafikan sumbangan dia bro selama dia kat liverpool.. kalo dia x perform aku ckp bende yg betul cuma kekadang besa ayat cam x besh sket huhu.. tp spanjang aku tgk carragher mmg stakat ni dah belas2 game mmg the worst performance utk carragher dlm kariernya.. musim2 lepas aku byk puji dia ape, so jgn salah paham k mozac rongak

prolepak wrote:

emm, this is not the first time kan? macam la baru ni skali rafa simpan players untuk champs league,even ade crucial game dalam liga...or, ko memang rase ni first time?

yup sama kes mcm lwn reading dulu rafa give up (kuarkan key player).. aku yakin mmg ada polisi terhadap UCL sejak hick & gillete amik alih.. look bro.. kalo dua2 game UCL liverpool selesa byk point mmg rafa x kan rotate sampai camni so mmg betul ada tekanan dia kene layak utk pusingan seterusnya utk UCL x gitu?

**waRnz19**

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bukan x suka bro, just aku nak dia rehat wat sementara dulu tgk balik pe jadi performance dia musim ni n bounce back balik.. x de citer la aku nak nafikan sumbangan dia bro selama dia kat liverpool.. kalo dia x perform aku ckp bende yg betul cuma kekadang besa ayat cam x besh sket huhu.. tp spanjang aku tgk carragher mmg stakat ni dah belas2 game mmg the worst performance utk carragher dlm kariernya.. musim2 lepas aku byk puji dia ape, so jgn salah paham k

Aku setuju...juz give him rest...partnerkan agger dgn skrtel...mmg dier byk jasa tp kene igt...xleh amek risiko play player yg x form...

**prolepak**

kulitdurian wrote:

In and Off Field probs mt ada..
cuba tgk other big 4...probs diaorg plg2 kurang pn..
juz related to players jek...(off form,injury,...)
takde plak dgr probs psl masalah dgn owner..klu ada pn,isu tu kecik n sekejap je..
Liverpool plak,nah...dengan owner probs lg...financial lg..transfer fund ciput..
aku xtau samada media saje nk cari masalah pd Liverpool
tp mcm terlalu byk part yang boleh dikritik...

puncanye satu jek, poor results...bile jadik camtu, sume orang akan analyze sape yg patut dipersalah...kalau bab owners nih, dari dulu ade jek probs, cume bile menang something, orang x bercerite pasal masalah lagi...kalau bab transfer fund, biase jek, dari dulu dapat around 30 millions...bile da poor form, baru la orang ungkit mengungkit, kaji roots of problems...baru la datang isu squad depth, financial backup n tactical display...mase pi final champs league 07, bising sket2 jek...mase runner-up last season, bising sket2 gak...

jangan samekan situasi liver dgn other big 3...chelsea spend too much during their early takeover from abra...man u memang da a successful team sejak 91 lagi, year by year fergie build-up siket, polish pe yg patut with little touch-up by bringing several new players each season...arsenal benefited from wenger's vision n mentality, his golden generation team (henry n co) bring many successes n for now, his squad depth is unbelievably good enough to maintain their games...

everything seems so wrong at the moment...from the higher ground down to the reserve players...everything...untuk those yg in rafa we trust, they have to pray all of the 1st team players back to the squad n prove rafa is good enough...untuk those yg in rafa we frust, they have to pray an imminent takeover will take place soon so that rafa can be replaced n new manager may bring a new dimension to gameplay liver...

**waRnz19**

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untuk those yg in rafa we trust, they have to pray all of the 1st team players back to the squad n prove rafa is good enough...

1st team mmg good enough kalau xde tactical yang mengarut2...

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untuk those yg in rafa we frust, they have to pray an imminent takeover will take place soon so that rafa can be replaced n new manager may bring a new dimension to gameplay liver...

Purslow cnfm memang ada yang berminat utk invest or takeover dan akan mengambil proses paling2 lambat pun dalam 6 bulan...

**prolepak**

Mozac wrote:

aku yakin mmg ada polisi terhadap UCL sejak hick & gillete amik alih.. look bro.. kalo dua2 game UCL liverpool selesa byk point mmg rafa x kan rotate sampai camni so mmg betul ada tekanan dia kene layak utk pusingan seterusnya utk UCL x gitu?

rafa tau die xkan dipecat wat mase nih...so nape die nak takut dgn tekanan owners? die lebe takut kalah pade a coming ucl game dari kalah the current game yg ade possibility depan mate untuk menang?

aku bukan pe bro, selambe jek die apply cagey tactic lawan big teams selame ni, membosankan n kerap cost him the game...selambe die apply zonal marking walaupun banyak kecaman die dapat...selame die leh beli aquilani yg tgh injured dgn harge 20 juta...selambe die request pemilihan players in the team must be his sole power dalam kontrak die...sume ni menunjukkan, die yg wat decision...dulu mase no 5 taun 05 dalam liga, selambe jek x pedulik game liga dah, nak fokus kat ucl...

so, aku rase kan bro, n after aku da bgtau ko nih, logik ke owners yg pressure die?

**abuyakaka**

perghhh...hbt gile ko prolepak...sembang lebat je..da mcm coach liv da aku tgk...gie la mntk nk jd coach tu..aku org bru dlm nie..tp nmpk dlm club nie,da ada org reti sembang lebat gile...aku bce dr frst post lg...bapak lebat ko sembang yob...ko nie mmg kje commentry ke??...gie la comment ttg bolasepak negara ko sndri..sbok2 nk sembang negara org wat pe..da tu lebat plak tu sembng..gile a...siap mrh2 org lg aku tgk....gempak gile ko nie..t`ingin plak aku nk dok stable ngan ko tgk bola..nk tgk lebat gile ko smbang tu...liv la sgt konon2nya...tahniah la prolepak...liv bru je klh..adoila..sbb rmai sgt KAKI SEMBANG LEBAT n poyo dlm club nie kan...nk wat cmna...leh la bli tiket ke anfield lps nie..gie sembang lebat ngan pyokong2 dier tgk,ko bleh blik ke x lps tu...

**@Mozac**

prolepak wrote:

kalau bab transfer fund, biase jek, dari dulu dapat around 30 millions

have to sell to buy new player isn't it? pe guna kalo dpt beli around 30M setiap musim kalo kene jual dulu player dlm range yg sama setiap musim.. even beli certain player ngan pinjaman bank wtf..

prolepak wrote:

everything seems so wrong at the moment...from the higher ground down to the reserve players...everything...untuk those yg in rafa we trust, they have to pray all of the 1st team players back to the squad n prove rafa is good enough..

r u playing devil advocate? if yes wrong time bro.. kalo imminent takeover berlaku pon gile ke nak bayar balik pampasan utk sack rafa? r u contradicting yourself ngan post sblum ni (siap pjg lebar lg citer pasal rafa)

prolepak wrote:

untuk those yg in rafa we frust, they have to pray an imminent takeover will take place soon so that rafa can be replaced n new manager may bring a new dimension to gameplay liver...

new dimesion camne? liverpool byk score ngan taktik guna 4-5-1 musim ni.. cuma bila byk guna attacking wingback bolos jugak byk n juga nasib malang dr zonal marking musim ni.. masalah root skang player x mencukupi + asyik injured jek.. even key player sendiri mengaku depa x perform musim ni kecuali torres.. cuba bayangkan kalo manager skang byk dpt duit dr owner.. masih ada lg ka muka2 cam voronin, babel, yadda yadda yadda?

**waRnz19**

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so, aku rase kan bro, n after aku da bgtau ko nih, logik ke owners yg pressure die?

Dier yang mempressurekan diri dier...byk game yg sepatutnya xde masalah...jadi masalah atas sebab dier...

**@Mozac**

prolepak wrote:

rafa tau die xkan dipecat wat mase nih...so nape die nak takut dgn tekanan owners?

ever heard clause dlm contract? camne kalo ada butiran mengenai demanding ucl masa owner kasi contract kat dia? UCL paling byk dpt duit berbanding EPL.. fact

ever heard kalo rafa x lepas 1st stage UCL, sure x byk duit or even less menghampir 0 duit blanja dia utk januari neh? pk2 kan la..

Aku bukannya nak defend betul2 rafa n mmg dia wat kesilapan masa lwn fulham tp aku yakin dia dlm dilema wat keputusan utk kebaikan liverpool utk jangka masa pjg..

**prolepak**

abuyakaka wrote:

...gie la comment ttg bolasepak negara ko sndri..sbok2 nk sembang negara org wat pe

nak cakap ko ni bute kayu, xtau laa..aku ade jek komen kat thread "malaysia pegi world cup"...

abuyakaka wrote:

siap mrh2 org lg aku tgk....gempak gile ko nie

part mane aku marah? xkan persoalkan xleh?

abuyakaka wrote:

t`ingin plak aku nk dok stable ngan ko tgk bola..nk tgk lebat gile ko smbang tu...liv la sgt konon2nya...tahniah la prolepak...liv bru je klh..adoila..sbb rmai sgt KAKI SEMBANG LEBAT n poyo dlm club nie kan...nk wat cmna.

mat, lu datang jek kg baru nih...nak dok stable sangat kan...pm aku no tepon ko, da sampai kite jumpe

abuyakaka wrote:

aku org bru dlm nie..tp nmpk dlm club nie,da ada org reti sembang lebat gile.

lu bukan orang baru...lu member dgn psdc ke? baran boy? xkan mozac plak, die ni rasional...xpelaa, ko ingat aku ni lembu ke xleh bajet ko ni camne...bukan aku sorang kaki sembang, da name forum, kompem le tempat borak2....takat nak create new profile, aku pon leh wat gak, pastu sapot noobers mane2...

Mozac wrote:

have to sell to buy new player isn't it? pe guna kalo dpt beli around 30M setiap musim kalo kene jual dulu player dlm range yg sama setiap musim.. even beli certain player ngan pinjaman bank wtf..

emm...terpulang la bro...pe aku pikir, aku selaraskan dgn ape aku dgr org discuss n ape aku bace orang tulis...kite sesame fan liver, mungkin boleh nak bising2 pasal financial ni...cube kite open kite nye dissapointment kat fans lain...sukar nak dapat pembelaan tau...

Mozac wrote:

r u contradicting yourself ngan post sblum ni

nope at all...sebab aku bagi 2 contoh jek golongan fans liver, yg pecaye n dah x pecaye...aku xde cakap pon aku dok side mane2, kan? it's just, aku dah minat gile dgn liver nih, so bile ade fans laen kutuk rafa, aku terase pedih gak, cume bile bincang sesame fans, baru aku open banyak2 pasal rafa nih...

kalau aku nak die difired, aku x bagi info pasal game valencia-espanyol under die dulu, jugak xnak ingat 11 games without draw n liver going all the way to win the league...macam2 aku cerite pasal liver nih...aku xtau ko perasan ke x, tapi aku sentiase cube cakap positive n negative side of this club...aku sentiase ulas n bagi opinion, bukan sekadar quote dari internet n mencarik salah orang jek...

pasal takeover tu, aku nak coolkan sape2 yg nak rafa kene sack...aku pertahankan dari sudut yg paling logik...ko ade cakap ape2 pasal sesape yg nak rafa kene sack? aku pon da penah cakap, kalau ade takeover, aku nak rafa stays untuk prove he can deliver...

new dimension tu, semestinye regarding tactical formation ke? ape pendapat ko tgk gameplay chelsea under mourinho, grant, scolari, hiddink n ancelloti? adekah sume perubahan semate2 taktik? kalau sebut new dimension, oooh, mesti tuka taktik...bukan camtu laa bro...banyak aspek kene judge...

Mozac wrote:

liverpool byk score ngan taktik guna 4-5-1 musim ni.. cuma bila byk guna attacking wingback bolos jugak byk n juga nasib malang dr zonal marking musim ni

season lepas x men 4-5-1 ke bro? melambak gak score, siap antara paling siket concede...naik gak fullbacks liver tuh, kan? zonal marking, bukan season ni jek jadik isu, btol x?

Mozac wrote:

camne kalo ada butiran mengenai demanding ucl masa owner kasi contract kat dia? UCL paling byk dpt duit berbanding EPL.. fact

tu la masalahnye...ko cakap "camne", means kite xtau...aku cakap pasal sole power in choosing players, tu yg kompem kite tau, kan? memangle ucl sumbang banyak duet, aku x cakap pon x...tapi x layak champs league season depan, mane lagi banyak rugi? kite suke moaning on current obvious situation, tapi kene pk jangka panjang kan...ko pon cakap camtu...mane lagi panjang? transfer bajet januari ke maen europa league season depan?

**chaos_two**

Mozac wrote:

Aku bukannya nak defend betul2 rafa n mmg dia wat kesilapan masa lwn fulham tp aku yakin dia dlm dilema wat keputusan utk kebaikan liverpool utk jangka masa pjg..

ermm..btol beb..utk jangka masa panjang..tp jangka masa pendek?
bab duit utk spend mmg btol, tp cmne ngn fans yg harapkan epl dari ucl?
da bape lame xdpt epl..
rasenye klo dpt epl tp xdpt ucl, rasenye kegembiraan fans lebih tinggi dari dpt ucl tp xdpt epl..

**@Mozac**

prolepak wrote:

season lepas x men 4-5-1 ke bro? melambak gak score, siap antara paling siket concede...naik gak fullbacks liver tuh, kan? zonal marking, bukan season ni jek jadik isu, btol x?

naik gak tp x giler cam skarang.. ada nampak ke arbeloa wat cam glen johson terrorizing oppo defense begitu jugak ngan wing kiri.. insua mmg overlap lg tinggi berbanding aurelio musim lepas.. sbb tu skarang liverpool dpt beat stubborn defense kat home musim ni berbanding musim lepas sbb wingback lg effective.. tp tula ada efek dia kat tempat lain plak..

pasal zonal marking aku x pernah bangkang atau sokong pon.. kalo rafa nak stay ngan zonal ok la aku x kesah pon.. cuma aku nyatakan musim ni agak malang sket ngan zonal marking (player x concentrate etc)

prolepak wrote:

tu la masalahnye...ko cakap "camne", means kite xtau...aku cakap pasal sole power in choosing players, tu yg kompem kite tau, kan? memangle ucl sumbang banyak duet, aku x cakap pon x...tapi x layak champs league season depan, mane lagi banyak rugi? kite suke moaning on current obvious situation, tapi kene pk jangka panjang kan...ko pon cakap camtu...mane lagi panjang? transfer bajet januari ke maen europa league season depan?

r u seriously think liverpool x dpt at least tempat ke-4 utk musim ni.. if yes case closed aku x larat nak sambung discussion lg sorry.

P/S: ko abaikan jek post budak noob tu prolepak.. langsung x de discussion berguna main hentam jek..